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PBR Board / Re: New PBR Point system
« Last post by sportsfan on February 09, 2015, 06:22:55 PM »
highline,

Wasn't Shane not included in the average because he was a no show on the finals night of the Fort Worth rodeo?  He was at the PBR event instead. 
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PBR Board / Re: New PBR Point system
« Last post by bfan22 on February 09, 2015, 06:19:27 PM »
Who's the Brazilian?  I don't see one in the average. 
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PBR Board / Re: New PBR Point system
« Last post by highline on February 09, 2015, 05:35:42 PM »
I think Shane Proctor got screwed because he isn't Brazilian!! 162 points in Fort Worth and cut out of the average!

http://prorodeo.com/prorodeo/prca-stock-stats/contestant/details?page=1&size=25&sort=&order=Ascending&contestant=1161&event=BR&season=2015

 Average: 1. Clayton Savage, 167 points on two head, $7,984; 2. John Jacobs, 165, $6,121; 3. Steve Woolsey, 160, $4,524; 4. Lon Danley, 157, $2,927; 5. Trevor Kastner, 150, $1,863; 6. Derek Creswell, 149, $1,331; 7. Trenten Montero, 147, $1,065; 8. J.T. Pettitt, 142, $798.
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PBR Board / Re: New PBR Point system
« Last post by sportsfan on February 09, 2015, 12:16:00 PM »
Apparently the PBR has quietly made a small change in the new point system.  I say quietly because I don't remember anything written or spoken about the change, unless I missed it.

The new point system gave points to only the top 10 in the aggregate, which has been the case for many years as well.  The guy that was number 10 in the aggregate got 5 points.  Now, they are giving 10 points to the #10 in the aggregate, instead of the 5 points, AND they are now giving 10 points to guys that finished #11-15 in the aggregate.  It's only a small change, but a change nonetheless.   The change was retroactive to the first BFTS event.  In Baltimore, Brady Sims finished 10th in the aggregate, and received 5 points.  There is an article that shows the results and still shows Sims getting 5 points.  However, if you go to the "results" page for Baltimore, it now shows he earned 10 points, as well as 5 other riders who didn't earn any aggregate points previously.

So, the new point system has already been "tweaked".  Of course this means the #15 guy in the aggregate gets the same points as the #9 guy in the aggregate.  The #9 guy through #15 all get 10 points.
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PBR Board / Re: Nunes on clock
« Last post by sportsfan on February 09, 2015, 12:03:47 PM »
It seems everyone on the broadcast last night were puzzled as well.   ???
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PBR Board / Nunes on clock
« Last post by onebull on February 08, 2015, 11:43:30 PM »
 ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? :nono: :nono: :nono: :nono: :nono: :nono: :nono: ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
   Why did the Judge put Nunes on the clock as soon as he got on the bull.  Not fair  They are treating the Brazilians terrible.  Talk about favortism
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PBR Board / Re: New PBR Point system
« Last post by bfan22 on February 08, 2015, 01:55:26 PM »
One thing that hasn't been discussed is money and I'm not talking about the PBR's money.  I'm talking about the riders' money.  No matter who it is, if they made a better ride on a better bull than J.B. and then see J.B. receive (not earn) a higher score from the judges, they've had money stolen out of their pocket.  I don't like liars and thieves and cheats are both.  I don't for one minute think Silvano is cheating the bulls but the judges are damn sure cheating the riders with their biased scoring.

I'm probably as "old school" as they get just because I've lived longer than most and I like to see riders try their guts out but I also want to see great rides.  Often the great rides look easy because the rider is in total control.  I loved the ride Justin McBride made on Voodoo Child.  It was a great ride but not "exciting" by the standards of some.  He made a great bull look easy.
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PBR Board / Re: New PBR Point system
« Last post by cnay33 on February 08, 2015, 12:37:07 PM »
Yeah they did, but to me it's been far more noticeable after Chris Shivers retired, and Austin Meier hit his slump. That's because JB is left as the most successful resemblance of those whom started the PBR. I think Zip stated somewhere recently, that old bullriders can be unsufferable, and as long as the guys who started the PBR and who rode with that "John Wayne" mentality, make the business decisions and provide their expertise, they are going to hang their hat's on to what they know best, and that's "how they used to do it", whether its right or wrong.  There are some young guys who have that mentality, but they just don't have the knack for staying in the top 5 or even on tour to warrant much attention. I think some are excited about what Matt Tripplet is doing and possibly see him as the "golden boy", but you can't tell me the old school fan doesn't snarl his nose when he starts in on his yoga and medetation stories.  I do agree though, that its not fair in a judged sport, and that they aren't doing themselves any favors by making so obvious.
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PBR Board / Re: New PBR Point system
« Last post by sportsfan on February 08, 2015, 11:53:02 AM »
cnay33,

The promoting of JB was before Silvano.  At the beginning of 2009, you would have thought that JB won the title in 2008 instead of Marchi.  JB was the up and coming American star.  But of course there was that guy named Lostroh that ruined the PBR party in 2009.  I was at a Touring Pro event in Ada, OK., in 2010 (I think).  It was the Cord McCoy Invitational.  Brandon Bates, who is one of the PBR BFTS announcers was announcing the event.  Numerous times he mentioned JB during the event, and JB wasn't even there.  I went up to him afterwards and asked him "Since you're in Oklahoma, why not promote the young BFTS riders such as Ryan Dirteater and Ryan McConnel, who are from Oklahoma?".  Of course no answer. 

Look, I get it...Marketing 101.  In a small sport, which bull riding is, compared to other major sports, you need a big name to promote and build up so that you can build a fan base. When it started,Ty Murray was the big name.  Later you had Chris Shivers, Justin McBride and JB Mauney.  Soon it will be someone else.  The PBR hitiches their horse (or bull) to that one rider and promotes the heck out of them and they in return promote the PBR.  And it needs to be an "American" since the events and most of the fans are in America.  That's great for the fans of that particular rider, not so much for fans of other riders.  If anyone denies that this happens, then they're not being honest.  It happens in other sports as well, HOWEVER, it shouldn't happen in a "judged" sport.  As stated before, you lose your credibility when you even give the appearance of favoritism in a judged sport.

When you look at the stats, there is no question that JB is scored higher than any rider on tour, and it's been that way for years.  And no, it's not because he "dances" with the bull and no one else does.  Whether it's intentional or not is not the point.  Over the last 4 years, JB has finished in the top 5 70% of the time (per round) and either 1 or 2 48% of the time.  Is JB that much better than anyone else? No.  Now the PBR changes the point system, and the guy that potentially benefits the most is the guy that the PBR promotes the most.  That smacks of favoritism, intentional or not, which should not happen in a judged sport.

JB is a great rider, and should be promoted, but not OVER promoted.  And there is no question he is over promoted and over scored.

And yes, my opinion is still the same... the new point system sucks.  :)
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PBR Board / Re: New PBR Point system
« Last post by licoricewhip on February 08, 2015, 10:54:35 AM »
I guess this reinforces my thought that the PBR can either appease their long-time fan base or re-structure and try to expand. Perhaps they can't do both successfully. Perhaps Spire Capital knows this.
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